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		<title>By: Updates&#8230; &#171; Voyages Around My Camera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Updates&#8230; &#171; Voyages Around My Camera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Guy Tal has a heart-to-heart talk on the meaning of photography in The Futile Pursuit of Happiness [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Guy Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much, everyone!

Pramod, that is a good idea. I try to weave some of my best and worst experiences into other texts but this could be an interesting project some day.

Chinle, I know exactly what you mean. Some experiences become part of who we are and giving them up is as inconceivable as giving up a body part.

David, your words echo my own thoughts. I was not suggesting anyone punish themselves on purpose, but merely that hardship should not always be avoided at all cost. It can, at times, lead to great rewards.

Mike, these are good points. There is no doubting the happiness that comes from achievement. What I really meant was that pursuing accomplishment is a better state of mind than pursuing happiness for its own sake, independent of any meaningful achievement.

Emily, that&#039;s a good point. What you describe as joy is the feeling of deep reward when I have experienced or created something truly meaningful, beyond the momentary happiness of checking off another beautiful and well-worn trophy.

Brad, thank you for the kind thoughts! And your note about putting your heart into your work is exactly what I meant. It may or may not be a happy experience, but it is deep and rewarding beyond simply being happy.

Tom - thank you!

Darwin, it&#039;s always an honor to be mentioned on your blog and I will urge anyone reading to follow it closely. It is a constant source of inspiration.

Rodney, I think you are arguing the same thing I am. I never equated having memorable images with happiness. Happiness doesn&#039;t matter. Many of those greats you mention had the means to opt for easier and more lucrative paths but chose to stick to their art even when it made them miserable. They, too, realized that short lived happiness is a hollow victory. Meaningful achievement, even if plagued by tragic circumstances, is still more rewarding than simple happiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, everyone!</p>
<p>Pramod, that is a good idea. I try to weave some of my best and worst experiences into other texts but this could be an interesting project some day.</p>
<p>Chinle, I know exactly what you mean. Some experiences become part of who we are and giving them up is as inconceivable as giving up a body part.</p>
<p>David, your words echo my own thoughts. I was not suggesting anyone punish themselves on purpose, but merely that hardship should not always be avoided at all cost. It can, at times, lead to great rewards.</p>
<p>Mike, these are good points. There is no doubting the happiness that comes from achievement. What I really meant was that pursuing accomplishment is a better state of mind than pursuing happiness for its own sake, independent of any meaningful achievement.</p>
<p>Emily, that&#8217;s a good point. What you describe as joy is the feeling of deep reward when I have experienced or created something truly meaningful, beyond the momentary happiness of checking off another beautiful and well-worn trophy.</p>
<p>Brad, thank you for the kind thoughts! And your note about putting your heart into your work is exactly what I meant. It may or may not be a happy experience, but it is deep and rewarding beyond simply being happy.</p>
<p>Tom &#8211; thank you!</p>
<p>Darwin, it&#8217;s always an honor to be mentioned on your blog and I will urge anyone reading to follow it closely. It is a constant source of inspiration.</p>
<p>Rodney, I think you are arguing the same thing I am. I never equated having memorable images with happiness. Happiness doesn&#8217;t matter. Many of those greats you mention had the means to opt for easier and more lucrative paths but chose to stick to their art even when it made them miserable. They, too, realized that short lived happiness is a hollow victory. Meaningful achievement, even if plagued by tragic circumstances, is still more rewarding than simple happiness.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 06:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A philosopher as well as an artist. You have a way with words I enjoyed your thoughts and largely agree with you sentiment.
&lt;i&gt;&quot;..the artistic equivalent of a paint-by-number and every bit as memorable&quot; The inference being that having a memorable image is happiness? Clearly this is not true.
&lt;i&gt;&quot;When you have accomplished something meaningful, no matter the sacrifice, you will truly have reason to be proud – a lasting achievement.&quot; No earthly achievement lasts beyond your last breath and it would be a conceit to flatter ourselves that our &quot;Art&quot; is truly meaningful and something that changes lives for the better. Take a look at the lives of the &quot;Great&quot; and ask yourself are they or were they happier than those lesser mortals their peers? Many of those geniuses were very unhappy despite their great achievements.
Thanks for sharing its thought provoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A philosopher as well as an artist. You have a way with words I enjoyed your thoughts and largely agree with you sentiment.<br />
<i>&#8220;..the artistic equivalent of a paint-by-number and every bit as memorable&#8221; The inference being that having a memorable image is happiness? Clearly this is not true.<br />
</i><i>&#8220;When you have accomplished something meaningful, no matter the sacrifice, you will truly have reason to be proud – a lasting achievement.&#8221; No earthly achievement lasts beyond your last breath and it would be a conceit to flatter ourselves that our &#8220;Art&#8221; is truly meaningful and something that changes lives for the better. Take a look at the lives of the &#8220;Great&#8221; and ask yourself are they or were they happier than those lesser mortals their peers? Many of those geniuses were very unhappy despite their great achievements.<br />
Thanks for sharing its thought provoking.</i></p>
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		<title>By: A Few Good Links &#171; Darwin Wiggett</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Few Good Links &#171; Darwin Wiggett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I always tell people to shoot from the heart.  If you are shooting to please others, to get an easy iconic trophy, or to to get kudos for your ego then your art is shallow. To make more meaningful work, you need to shoot for yourself. You should make images that move you and reach deep into your soul and you should care little what others think. You need to shoot to please your heart. Along this line I really enjoyed one of Guy Tal&#8217;s recent excellent essays entitled The Futile Pursuit of Happiness. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I always tell people to shoot from the heart.  If you are shooting to please others, to get an easy iconic trophy, or to to get kudos for your ego then your art is shallow. To make more meaningful work, you need to shoot for yourself. You should make images that move you and reach deep into your soul and you should care little what others think. You need to shoot to please your heart. Along this line I really enjoyed one of Guy Tal&#8217;s recent excellent essays entitled The Futile Pursuit of Happiness. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Tal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guy Tal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, everyone, for the kind words and insightful thoughts! Life is indeed a journey of discovery and no matter what we set out to learn, we are ultimately learning about ourselves.

Guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, everyone, for the kind words and insightful thoughts! Life is indeed a journey of discovery and no matter what we set out to learn, we are ultimately learning about ourselves.</p>
<p>Guy</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kostes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Kostes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy,

Just found out about your site and blog over at David DuChemin’s blog.

Wonderful images and very thoughtful musings......

It makes be a bit sad but I love your quote:

“I fear that future generations will judge us harshly for our failure to place proper value on wildness, diversity, open space, spirit, solitude and other treasures of the natural world still available to us today. May they at least know that some of us tried”

Let’s not stop trying to preserve this beautiful globe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy,</p>
<p>Just found out about your site and blog over at David DuChemin’s blog.</p>
<p>Wonderful images and very thoughtful musings&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>It makes be a bit sad but I love your quote:</p>
<p>“I fear that future generations will judge us harshly for our failure to place proper value on wildness, diversity, open space, spirit, solitude and other treasures of the natural world still available to us today. May they at least know that some of us tried”</p>
<p>Let’s not stop trying to preserve this beautiful globe.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Mangas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Mangas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Happiness will come and go, a mere by-product of fleeting circumstances&quot;.

There is comfort in those words Guy, the circumstances of ones life can be controllable or uncontrollable at any given moment. Our past and desire for happiness in the future determines much of our own reactions to the moment. At times of happiness one may seek a leveling out pursuit so as to prepare for the uncontrollable which will take the fleeting happiness from us. To be able to cherish those moments of peace and serenity and carry those memories is what gets myself through those times of despair. A new dawn will arise each day, with it the unforeseen will come, how we chose to handle it is, for myself, the ability to allow those cherished moments to overcome those of despair. 

The artist must pursue what he or she loves, all else is superficial. Not until the heart is put into ones artistic creations does it have any personal meaning even if it only moves the artist and no one else.

On a more personal note, the love you and Sarah provide for Cletis and Maggie is unmeasurable, I can not set here and write how I understand how you feel, that is simply impossible, my loss for words is a human condition that just plain sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Happiness will come and go, a mere by-product of fleeting circumstances&#8221;.</p>
<p>There is comfort in those words Guy, the circumstances of ones life can be controllable or uncontrollable at any given moment. Our past and desire for happiness in the future determines much of our own reactions to the moment. At times of happiness one may seek a leveling out pursuit so as to prepare for the uncontrollable which will take the fleeting happiness from us. To be able to cherish those moments of peace and serenity and carry those memories is what gets myself through those times of despair. A new dawn will arise each day, with it the unforeseen will come, how we chose to handle it is, for myself, the ability to allow those cherished moments to overcome those of despair. </p>
<p>The artist must pursue what he or she loves, all else is superficial. Not until the heart is put into ones artistic creations does it have any personal meaning even if it only moves the artist and no one else.</p>
<p>On a more personal note, the love you and Sarah provide for Cletis and Maggie is unmeasurable, I can not set here and write how I understand how you feel, that is simply impossible, my loss for words is a human condition that just plain sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Chaplin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Chaplin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree completely, Guy, I also think a distinction should be made between happiness and joy. &quot;Happiness&quot; to me does connote superficial enjoyment. Joy, however, is a state and experience that is more deep and penetrating, and is very worthwhile pursuing. I do not believe in being unhappy just for the sake of it -- for the conviction that &quot;happiness&quot; is somehow too easy and true meaning only derives from suffering. I believe in celebrating life, even in its dark and pain-inducing moments (of which there are many). And I believe where one looks for beauty and joy, one can find it -- even in small ways. And that can be an incredibly meaningful experience. If this makes any sense at all. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree completely, Guy, I also think a distinction should be made between happiness and joy. &#8220;Happiness&#8221; to me does connote superficial enjoyment. Joy, however, is a state and experience that is more deep and penetrating, and is very worthwhile pursuing. I do not believe in being unhappy just for the sake of it &#8212; for the conviction that &#8220;happiness&#8221; is somehow too easy and true meaning only derives from suffering. I believe in celebrating life, even in its dark and pain-inducing moments (of which there are many). And I believe where one looks for beauty and joy, one can find it &#8212; even in small ways. And that can be an incredibly meaningful experience. If this makes any sense at all. <img src='http://guytal.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought-provoking post, Guy.  While I agree getting the same cookie-cutter shots all the others have are more meaningless than meaningful, I find that the struggle to get the more unique shots and lesser seen angles are what makes me happy.  Fulfilling that accomplishment and seeing the world at a different angle from everyone else are what keep my curiosity and excitement evolving, thus creating a new level of happiness each time I&#039;ve succeeded in finding something I know is unique.  This may be a difference of our different points of view, since I consider myself to be a happy person.  So we could probably go on endlessly about our views on the world, but in the end they would just be our own unique angles on how we each see things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought-provoking post, Guy.  While I agree getting the same cookie-cutter shots all the others have are more meaningless than meaningful, I find that the struggle to get the more unique shots and lesser seen angles are what makes me happy.  Fulfilling that accomplishment and seeing the world at a different angle from everyone else are what keep my curiosity and excitement evolving, thus creating a new level of happiness each time I&#8217;ve succeeded in finding something I know is unique.  This may be a difference of our different points of view, since I consider myself to be a happy person.  So we could probably go on endlessly about our views on the world, but in the end they would just be our own unique angles on how we each see things.</p>
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		<title>By: David Leland Hyde</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Leland Hyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is un-American, well that is, it is un-what-Americans-are-known-for-now-at-their-worst: seeking pleasure. However, to me the very best American traits are those that were developed and tempered by difficulty and struggle. Your post, Guy, is probably exactly what we need to hear again. &quot;Follow your bliss&quot; is perhaps one of the most trite, worn-out and cliche expressions ever. It is supposedly the way to enlightenment, ha. In my experience, and look at your own life anyone reading this, it is exactly the experiences that were the most difficult, the accomplishments that took the most effort, the trials, struggles and challenges that were the worst, that ended up being the most rewarding and brought the most learning and growth. If any of the &quot;follow your bliss&quot; crowd want to talk metaphysics, I can say with the certainty of results that it is the most difficult path that burns through the most karma. That&#039;s why the rewards are the sweetest. I&#039;m not saying it is necessary or even advisable to punish ourselves unnecessarily, but often a little hardship is exactly what we need. Very good points all, Guy. Brilliant post and a great argument for landscape photographers to get out of the car and walk, hike, climb or as Edward Abbey says, &quot;crawl through the desert until your knees bleed,&quot; to get photographs rather than waltzing out by car to Zabriskie Point or Tunnel View.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is un-American, well that is, it is un-what-Americans-are-known-for-now-at-their-worst: seeking pleasure. However, to me the very best American traits are those that were developed and tempered by difficulty and struggle. Your post, Guy, is probably exactly what we need to hear again. &#8220;Follow your bliss&#8221; is perhaps one of the most trite, worn-out and cliche expressions ever. It is supposedly the way to enlightenment, ha. In my experience, and look at your own life anyone reading this, it is exactly the experiences that were the most difficult, the accomplishments that took the most effort, the trials, struggles and challenges that were the worst, that ended up being the most rewarding and brought the most learning and growth. If any of the &#8220;follow your bliss&#8221; crowd want to talk metaphysics, I can say with the certainty of results that it is the most difficult path that burns through the most karma. That&#8217;s why the rewards are the sweetest. I&#8217;m not saying it is necessary or even advisable to punish ourselves unnecessarily, but often a little hardship is exactly what we need. Very good points all, Guy. Brilliant post and a great argument for landscape photographers to get out of the car and walk, hike, climb or as Edward Abbey says, &#8220;crawl through the desert until your knees bleed,&#8221; to get photographs rather than waltzing out by car to Zabriskie Point or Tunnel View.</p>
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